collateral damage

Sunetra Gupta and co-authors have put up a web site compiling authoritative records of collateral damage known and expected from covid interventions. The forecast damage and very probably the existing damage far outweighs any damage the virus may have wrought.

And that’s talking only sickness and death. We care most about sickness and death and when challenged about our ‘over the top’ approach to ‘protecting ourselves’ we are quick to appreciate we don’t want sickness or death and are blindly willing to overlook almost any cost in order to do it. Money doesn’t matter, we say. We think. We like to think.

And we think the intervention ‘costs’ are ‘mere’ monetary costs – abstract ‘economic’ costs, perhaps a little heartbreak here and there with a failed business. Ah, too bad, we say, but better that than anyone gets sick or dies.

But the fact is the collateral damage measured in sick and dead far exceeds, far exceeds any covid cost. And that’s looking at current much disputed and certainly much exaggerated figures. No matter. No matter how exaggerated the covid figures they still don’t match the figures for collateral damage written up in various places and many compiled on the Sunetra Gupta site:

Not much of a title is it? You’d never think to look there. ‘’. Not a mention of Covid. Or SARS. Or even ‘damage’. Not exactly catchy. Or memorable.

But they are not thrill seeking sensationalists. Lurid journalists; click bait specialists.

They are serious sober scientists careful to print only that which they can believe is true and reliable and with a concern for their own reputations now and into the future.

Unlike bandwagonriders and followers of fashion and bee in the bonnet maniacs they are not printing facts about a situation they want to be true. They are printing facts they find to be regrettably true about the situation. Regrettable, awful, but true. And properly the concern of every person on the planet.

Here are some of the posts, only a small selection and mainly from the ‘health’ section of the site. There’s much more. :

BBC 50,000 extra heart deaths.

NYTimes Spain Undetected Cancer

Belfast Domestic Abuse

NY Times. Teenagers mental health.

BBC Babies Harmed and Killed

NPR Polio Campaign crippled.

Independent. Lost generation.

Unicef: Stillbirths

WSJ Death extend beyond covid victimes.

News MN. Domestic violence

Forbes: Pandemic Anxiety

NY Times. Farmer Suicides.

10,000 child deaths per month.

Economist. Long term effects on children

Belfast Live. Domestic violence tip of iceberg.

Oxfam 122 million brink of starvation

Oxfam 12,000 per day could die from hunger.

The Conversation South Africa mass hunger.

Guardian. Cancer patients miss out

UNAIDS Hundreds of thousands extra HIV deaths.

telegraph. Unicef warns 1.2million child deaths.

Irish Times. Rape and Child Abuse

Dr Sam Bailey On Authenticity of ‘Excess Deaths’ Due Covid Claim.

It is debatable whether there are any excess deaths at all. But Dr Sam Bailey of NZ posts a video on Youtube where she details the faults and shortcomings of trying to ascribe all ‘excess deaths’ to covid, even if there are any.

If there are none, as was suggested before, then Dr Sam’s remarks still remain pertinent of course for they pertain to the claimed death numbers for Covid in fact, whether part of an excess or not.

Dr Sam brings out these points that need to be considered and which mitigate against arbitrarily (which, of course, is the practice) ascribing supposed ‘excess’ deaths to Covid:

. Excess death can be, could have been, caused by massive medical malpractice in the early months of the infection. For back in those days phenomenal doses of Hydroxychloroquine were give in some jurisdictions to the most frail and elderly presumably in hopes of some miracle cure. But doses such that normal practice would call for emergency procedures to be immediately instituted if it were known a patient had received such a does.

There were, of course, many deaths. Drastic effect on the death rate.

. Patient care mismanagement and deaths due to lockdowns themselves. There’s no sensible dispute about this. Especially in the early days respirators were killing patients for instance. And no patients (perhaps to this day) were getting any basic immune system enhancements like Vit D. And it grows more and more into common awareness that locking down many people is prejudicial to their health even unto death. There’s direct death from things like suicide of the psychologically unbalanced and indirect death from failure to get diagnoses and treatments. It has even been observed that patients on regular life support treatments have failed to get that regular treatment: like kidney dialysis for instance. Incredible reports. Unfortunately it seems we must credit them.

. The ‘harvesting’ effect. A natural and recurring phenomenon wherein a succession of years of mild winter season with only mild flu attacks and such (bronchitis, general URT illnesses and such) eventually has the run ‘broken’ by a quite harsh season which ‘harvests’ all the prone from the earlier years.

. The famous ‘case’ problem. Never clearly defined in common alarmist use Dr Sam points out that the accepted WHO (I think it was) definition boils down to simple a PCR positive result. Well PCR positive means that particles of an RNA string to be found in the virus have been found. No more. No less. Well – a little bit ‘more’ – we can gauge from the number of cycles required to reach a perceptual threshold just how many of these particles were found. It’s generally accepted that if it takes more than about 24 (I think it is) cycles to perceive any particles then they exist in too small a quantity to be able to reasonably infer that they indicate any sort of infection. It is common in the USA to use as many as 42 cycles. No more need be said. Such ‘cases’ are suspect to the greatest degree.

. Reclassification from other causes. It is documented and Dr Sam provides references that many jurisdiction have cases redefined as Covid cases when under normal circumstances medical staff would have put the cause of death down as something else. It is widely known today think. People are written down as dying ‘of’ covid when they died merely ‘with’ detected covid. And when that detection was PCR 40 cycle detection we can see how we should view such statistics.

. incentive. Dr Sam records how in some US hospitals they were paid by govt. a $13,000 grant for a Covid admission. It that admission then proceeded to ventilator treatment the grant went up to $39,000. Senator Dr Scott Jensen in the USA brought all this to light. Dr Sam provides references.

All this is very, very pertinent to understanding what is happening with Covid.

The interventions are very, very expensive in every possible way and they are predicated on a supposed understanding of Covid. That supposed understanding would need to be enhanced and updated as frequently and as exhaustively as possible.

And the results widely disseminated amongst the public as both a right of theirs to know and an obligation on governors to act in the interests of the governed.

I think none of it is being done. I call that in this case far worse than dereliction of duty, far worse. It is conscious and deliberate in many instances, I’m sure.

Here is the video:

Dr Sam On Excess Deaths and What We Are Not Being Told

And she provides a good list of references. For convenience I reproduce them here:

This all basically means one main thing:

Covid is being reported as a monster that it is not.

and the corollary: the interventions are not being reported as the monster they are.

and the message from that: you’re/we’re being deliberately hurt by our own government.


1. CGTN – On the Scene | Disinfection at Wuhan’s old town complex amid the coronavirus epidemic…

2. CBS This morning: Italy struggles to find space for bodies despite flattening virus curve…

3. Lockdowns more harmful than disease:…

4. Euromomo excess mortality stats:…

5. AMM (France) re: Hydroxychloroquine overdose rate:…

6. Hydroxychloroquine – usual dose:… 7. Dr Klaus Köhnlein:…

8. UK Column:

9. UK Column on YT:…

10. Years of Life Lost:…

11. Dr Klaus Püschel:…)

12. John Ioannidis on Covid YLL:…

13. PANDA – Lockdowns may cause 29 times more deaths:…

14. WHO Case definition of Covid-19:…

15. Hendrik Streeck comments:…)

16. NY Post – Deaths as ‘Covid-19’ deaths regardless of cause:…

17. Senator Dr Scott Jensen whistle-blowing on Covid-19 death certificates and payments:…

18. US HHS Document to Doctors on Covid-19 deaths:

19. Jennifer Cabrera – Death Certificates and Covid-19:…



Reply To A Comment on ‘Fundamental Rights in the Age of Covid 19’.

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Comment on “Fundamental Rights in the Age of Covid-19”

It sounds like a welcome publication but my rapid reading through the article about it in Spectator seemed to indicate that nowhere in it does it address the question of exactly how dangerous is the virus? Perhaps they didn’t see that as within their remit and/or perhaps it is mentioned.

I see it as the missing ‘elephant in the room’. The government has everyone running away from what’s essentially a phantom.
‘essentially’. Not ‘exactly’. Of course it is an illness and it can kill if you’re weak enough for one reason or another.

But we have illnesses like that with us all the time and in varying degrees that vary according to season and year constantly.
And we, naturally, don’t feel obliged to act in this way. Thank god. We couldn’t.

The ‘phantom’ is that it is held to be such a dramatic evil that unprecedented measures must be taken that stamp all over all democratic rights and subject people to distinct harms and even which manifest as totally irrational absurdities.

Surely such a response would need to be justified by careful identification and categorisation of the menace? But no. There’s never a solid true statistic.

Commonly we’re presented with alarmist talk of ‘cases’ without what exactly a ‘case’ is ever being identified.

We’re presented with alarmist talk of ‘deaths’ without true cause of death ever being identified.

We’re presented with ‘IFR’ – Infection Fatality Rates’ – without either the definition of ‘infection’ or the definition of ‘fatality according to that infection’ ever clarified.

The same with ‘CFR’ – ‘case’ ‘fatality’ rates. And so on. The most obscure and loose and unscientific and irresponsible reporting one can imagine: and it comes as often as not from govt. sponsored channels!

Well there’s a word for that: propaganda indoctrination: brainwashing.

We’re presented with alarmist talk of all kinds all of which is met by sober scientists with facts and figures putting things back in their correct proportion – as, for instance, Dr John Ioannidis has been attempting to do from the earliest days of this thing – and those facts and figures are suppressed and ignored.

Alarmist ‘facts’ such as: ICU units at 90% capacity! When ICU units are often commonly at close to capacity, as are hospitals in days of dollars are king and ‘economic rationalism’ no administrator carries excess capacity.

But the politicians who instituted ‘reforms’ that forced hospitals and the system generally to slim its margins and reduce excess capacity are never held up as an alarming thing. No. the ‘alarm’ is that supposedly the virus has ’caused’ this.

Alarmist figures about American ‘excess deaths’ current right now. When in fact American deaths for 2020 were 1.12% higher than the previous year which is the lowest annual increase in 6 years.

With an actual death rate of 8.88 per 1000 which is a rate under 9.0 per 1000 which is where it has been since 1977.

The actual American yearly death rate has been rising since 2008. From 1977 it dropped below 9.0 and is still there but since 2008 it has been slowly rising with an annual increase of around 1.2 – 1.3. 1.2 being the lowest in 6 years.

Tell me I’m wrong. Look around. Are not the news channels filled to bursting with lurid screaming headlines about the total destruction being wrought on the USA by the virus??

But it is nonsense.

And a void, a dearth, of factual information. And what’s worse: no one apparently looking for it, calling for it, no governments actually searching, finding and using it. The public: dumb. Silent. Docile. Submissive. In home confinement and wearing muzzles when going abroad and constrained not to touch each other when outside. Having to check in at every office and shop. That is: confined, muzzled, tracked 24/7 and soon to be compulsorily injected. Like dogs. Pet dogs.

For what? A phantom. An undescribed, an undefined, an unfindable phantom.

Here’s a dry responsible compilation of studies and assessments on the harm being done: (on collateral damage from lockdowns)

and here’s the declaration thousands of scientists endorsed that condemns what is happening: (The Great Barrington Declaration)

and here’s one of today’s publicly available data sets that sets out the figures I presented above:

and here’s a collection of publicly posted opinions, analyses, figures, fact and so on…

Why I Dislike The Left.

That’s the American Left I’m talking about – plus any ‘left’ in any other country that seeks to follow the american model.

And that ‘american left’ is the Democrats.

It’s because I’ve been reading things like this for the last four years. This latest just another overwhelmingly convincing example:

Crazy America. esp re ‘black/white’

Here’s an article from this week’s Takimag about ‘race relations’ in the USA. It points out how insane they are with examples such as George Floyd being deified from a totally false conception of who he was and what happened to him while statues of Lincoln are torn down to appease.

All about black/white. But in fact it is not about black/white. Is it? There’s thousands and thousands of black skinned people in the USA that this all doesn’t apply to.

It is ‘african americans’ and – maybe – ‘anglo saxon americans’ isn’t it? I’m not sure about the ‘anglo-saxon’ but I rather think so. The ‘afa’s’ are not animose against the latino americans or the native americans , for instance, I think? Or the asian americans . Are they?

No matter. The point is the african americans. they are the problem, the trouble.

It seems. And for the press – the presumably white press – to keep referring to them as ‘blacks’ is to rob other races of their own rights, to submerge them in this disgraceful narrative.

And that seems to me to point to the hidden ‘elephant in the room’ here all the time: it’s all the doing of the whites. Though it’s not so hidden. Various times I’ve read various people point it out. For a long time. Most recently at the time of the Portland riots.

Whites at all levels. Down on the streets there rioting, in the universities corrupting, distorting and crippling education with false biases, in the courts and city councils. Everywhere.

We should be very much more aware of this I think.

Lord Sumption Said It All Back in March.

He summed up the situation way back then and since then no improvement – only worse. I think. Right? Or wrong? You see some improvement? You see some evidence that the threat is, after all, really large enough to warrant the death of a nation ? Let me know.

“I mean the tradition of policing in this country is that policemen are citizens in uniform they are not members of a disciplined hierarchy operating just at the government’s command. “

Exactly. Police are meant to be, in our tradition as I see it, citizens first and foremost. Not ‘arms of an authority that stands over us’. The latter is certainly what they were in the days of the formation of Australia.

But arguably, I suppose, not so in the England they came from. For though it may look like the police were decidedly the oppressors and mere ‘weapons’ of a brutal governing regime in fact the ‘Peelers’ of Robert Peel and early forces were clearly much desired by and much cooperated with by the citizenry because of the increasingly dangerous lawlessness.

This grew into perhaps the kindest era of British history at the end of the second world war when peace descended on the land, largely and the ‘british bobby’ became that placid and helpful reassuring figure strolling his beat with his admonitions ‘ello, ello, what’s going on ‘ere then?’

One has thought that our current police forces grow out of that ethos and in fact their publicity seeks to make that impression while their buildings, their arms, their uniforms and their conduct point in a different direction.

Point towards and American model of gun and brute force loving machismo, swagger, overwhelming force and clear and wide separation between the police and everyone, anyone else being as they’re claimed to be ‘officers of the law’ and serving this inhuman abstraction ‘the law’ which ‘service’ apparently gives them the right to break any and all laws at will.

Yes. So Lord Sumption’s remarks are very fitting. On a daily basis. Should be breakfast reading for many.

This is youtube vid but really there’s only a still photo to look at – the thing is really an audio recording. But it is good.

Any Sensible Truth Anywhere, I Wonder?

This is a good man to follow…. throws up a lot of sensible information. I’ve seen these vaccine data before. Somewhat incredible I thought.

Read somewhere that in fact the incidence of severe illness is so low with covid that it could (considering practicalities of collecting a sample group + a placebo group) be theoretically impossible to test a vaccine for efficacy on severe illness – whatever results you get always inevitably falling within the margin of error.

But on this ‘scientific’ evidence they are going to spend billions in Australia alone (I’m guessing it would get up to billions wouldn’t it? Exorbitant cost you can bet, just for the (incompletely, improperly tested according to tradition) vaccine plus immense cost of incredible refrigeration, plus transport, plus injection plus administration overheads – plus repeat it all in a couple of weeks! That’s not going to be peanuts. On top of the incredible costs already incurred.

But that’s not all. ‘Measures’ must be maintained during this period. They say. So the madness can continue.